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If you feel hungry have an extra optifast. You might need to in the first few days but just stick with it you get less hungry very qucikly and within a few days you dont feel hungry at all. The optifast helps clear the fat from the liver

lissa75 wrote:

I have been trying my best to stick to the opti..

It is so hard feel like i'm running on empty and feel hungry all the time.

My good gosh..

Head in the opti box for the next 2 weeks..

Thanks for letting me know that.. needed to hear that it does happen to put the fear into me..

Lissa

tinyteddy wrote:

As for Pharies comment - i read that statement as being exactly this - if I could have stuck to a diet like opti, i would never have needed to have surgery. meaning - it is bloody hard to stick to !!!.
Karin

That was how I read it too.

Opti is hard to stick to. I don't mind the taste but it is a restrictive diet and was a big change from the types (and quantities) of food that I was previously eating. Thankfully, it did end!

Oh for goodness sakes!

How ridiculous. I agree with Miss Cee - I dont think either of the comments were meant to offend anyone and could be read in two ways. Could it be that people who have been in this situation and have gotten through and succeeded might feel so strongly about their success that they want others to be successful too and reach their goal?

As for Pharies comment - i read that statement as being exactly this - if I could have stuck to a diet like opti, i would never have needed to have surgery. meaning - it is bloody hard to stick to !!!. Everyone feels the same way and if we could we wouldnt have gone to the next step. No harsh words there is my books. No one was attacking you for having a hard time - Pharie was sympathising with you and supporting you! Maybe you should re-read the statement and cut some slack?

No one wants to see you disappear off this site - which is what I think is going to happen and the fact that you have had so much input - and supportive posts i might add - proves that everyone here cares about you.

I really think you have taken this to heart too much. Everyone on here has been exactly where you are and the emotions run extremely high - and can continue for a long time no matter what stage you are at. When someone is changing their lives like we are, we need all the support we can get, especially from those who have experience and have been in all the stages.

No one was trying to hurt your feelings or drive you away - they were only trying to show you and give you the encouragement to stick to this important stage in the effort to help you succeed as they have done.

I really hope you can see this post as that I care about the fact that you have been hurt by comments, not another attack, however I also feel that all the others posting here have cared enough too to post at all. Personally, I have had zero support from my partner with this operation, before or after and it was extremely hard for me. If it wasnt for the wonderful people on here I would never have made it. I rarely post these days as my life is cruising along nicely but I am always reading and offer my support or knowledge if it is needed as I still, after 4 months out, need all the support I can get. So dont be too quick to leave.

I sincerely wish you all the best with your journey and truly hope we see you back here soon.



Karin

I'm sorry if i have offended or upset anyone on here.

Obviously your not allowed to express if a comment has offended you on a public forum because other people will be offended.

We are all one this forum for one reason - to love, support and help each other their ideal weight and live a healthier life and enjoy life to its fullest.

Wishing you all the very best with your journey.

Good bye

[quote="robbie_rotten"]Maybe you should stop being so delicate and overly sensitive?
I'm guessing I just offended you? Ha ha ha

ha ha funny.. not at all offended.

I understand how hard it is on opti, and the tempting simple food that i would have over looked 2 weeks prior to starting this lot of opti has now been bumped to qualify on a silver service menu. I have like many of you have tried every diet, exercise program ( when weight allowed), pill or herbal tablet and hypnosis,conventional or some not so for weight loss/ control. This battle that we fight every day is tortour and most have been fighting from birth, it is something that is Too Big ( mind the pun) for us to control, Hense why we are here and having the surgery. Many have issues with opti as it is not the first time we have been on this diet, and i know myself a few months+ on opti, the thought of having it again even with all the extra essances added still is hard to swallow in all ways....

Don't judge others for what they struggle with, instead helpfull advice and understanding and support is what is needed!

Maybe you should stop being so delicate and overly sensitive?
I'm guessing I just offended you? Ha ha ha

lissa75 wrote:

it is ok for someone to post something that hurts my feelings but here you are having a PUBLIC go at me about it..

Why didn't you go through ADMIN just like your telling me too??

Lissa I never told you what to do. Contacting admin was merely a suggestion.

Don't attack me please, I was just making a point that things need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Plenty of things cause people offense. We just tend to focus on the positives and ignore all the rest.

it is ok for someone to post something that hurts my feelings but here you are having a PUBLIC go at me about it..

Why didn't you go through ADMIN just like your telling me too??

yes it is a public forum and yes peoples comments do offend. If they are not told how on earth are they to know..

It is a free world to say as we please.

I wasn't the only one who was offended by the comment.

I won't have you telling me what i should be doing..

Lissa75 - that's the second time in this thread that you've said you're offended by someone's reply.

This is a public forum, you asked a question, you're going to get all sorts of replies.

I don't think Pharie meant to intentionally cause offense to anyone with their comment. They were purely saying that if they were able to stick to opti 100%, then they wouldn't go through with a painful surgery.

I'm pretty sure it was a general comment and not aimed directly at you.

You're doing the best you can on opti, we get that, but please don't make another member feel bad about posting their reply to your question.

If you have an issue with another member I suggest you pm admin regarding it.

pharie wrote:

I mean honnestly if you have no problem sticking to opti why would you go though with painful surgey?

this is a very harsh comment and I'm rather offended.. I never said that opti wasn't easy and that i didn't have a problem with it.. It is bloody hard - a daily battle.

Opti only a temporary solution. As soon as you start eating again the weight soon finds you and some.

We all have different reasons of going through a painful operation.. Like daily pain from carrying too much weight, longevity, lifestyle and social factors..

The pain from operation is short lived, but the pain physical and mental from carrying too much weight is life long..

Angelpenny,



My intention was never to upset anyone, but for myself and 2 of my friends the reason we had this surgery is because we were unable to stick to diets, opti or otherwise, hence the surgery being a last resort and it forces restriction on you. I appologise for any upset I may have caused, that was NOT my intention.

Pharie, I think your statement is a little unfair. In my opinion what make opti "doable" before surgery is that you know it is a short term deal. 10kgs over a month of opti is one thing. 8, 10, 12 months of opti is a completely different story.

If you are anything like most of us, you have successfully lost weight before only to regain it again (and often more than was lost).

There is a lot of research now that supports the difficulties experienced in attempting to maintain weight loss without surgery.

I'm glad your surgery went well despite the issues with your liver.

I congratulate everyone for doing the best they can to ensure a favorable outcome for what is when all is said and done a major surgery and often a last chance decision.

I can totally relate with you Red, your the same as most of us in that you've tried the band aid fixes now you've decided to go with the remedy. You will not regret it!

Red5 wrote:

pharie wrote:

I mean honnestly if you have no problem sticking to opti why would you go though with painful surgey?

Because I've done opti in the past and as soon as I went off it I put on all the weight I lost + more. Even the doctor who put me onto it said that it normally happens.

I have 8 opti meals left and I can't wait, I'm over it. I have been pretty good only slipped once, even was good at my son's birthday today didn't eat one thing. I kept remembering this post and knowing that I need to make sure my liver is small enough.

As for the dream outfit I have a little black dress that I wore to my graduation when I was 61kgs and 22. I'd love to get back into it, don't think I really will but it's worth aiming for.

pharie wrote:

I mean honnestly if you have no problem sticking to opti why would you go though with painful surgey?

Because I've done opti in the past and as soon as I went off it I put on all the weight I lost + more. Even the doctor who put me onto it said that it normally happens.

I have 8 opti meals left and I can't wait, I'm over it. I have been pretty good only slipped once, even was good at my son's birthday today didn't eat one thing. I kept remembering this post and knowing that I need to make sure my liver is small enough.

As for the dream outfit I have a little black dress that I wore to my graduation when I was 61kgs and 22. I'd love to get back into it, don't think I really will but it's worth aiming for.

I mean honnestly if you have no problem sticking to opti why would you go though with painful surgey?

I only half heartedly stuck to opti as my surgeon siad he was not that worried becase my bmi was on the lower end of the surgey scale, I am pretty sure I have a enlarged liver anyway, as I have a spinal injury and need to take painkillers every day & I am also on daily medication, which will also effect your liver size. My surgeon still did the surgery and said nothing about about my liver.

I have a dream outfit, brought on-line designer stuff. Something I use to like wearing, a pretty floral skirt and a pretty top, it's in my wardrobe where I can see it.

Opti sucked indeed. the thing that kept me on track was soy sauce and ginger. My dietician said i could add those to vegetables. Made them quite yummy. Also she let me have a small amount of lean chicken after awhile because I was losing so much weight. Chicken never tasted so good. Keep an eye on the reward, its worth it. Maybe even go and buy a "skinnier" dress or top, that puts some legs on your goal perhaps.

well done Lissa, that's awesome! Not long to go now, you'll breeze through now you're past that awful first 4 days. Good luck with your journey :)