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spidee Newbie
Number of posts : 63 Age : 69 Location : Rockingham WA Registration date : 2012-04-02
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Tue 01 May 2012, 2:15 am | |
| I think you're all right. Yes it does depend on your bone structure and muscle density, I am strong as I lift weights, but I am also fat. Cardio is what moves fat not weight lifting, not for me anyways. as I get older I want to live better, longer too would be good but better is what I am aiming for.
If that means missing out on little treats now and then, so be it. I am looking forward to my sleeve. 2 of my sons are also having it done in June, me in October so I will have first hand knowledge as far as a bystander can, of what's going to happen.
I'd like my BMI to be about 25 but I also want no more rolls of fat, no tiredness or shortness of breath.. I want to live! | |
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Lady bug Newbie
Number of posts : 37 Age : 39 Location : Brisbane Registration date : 2012-04-24
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Mon 30 Apr 2012, 9:51 pm | |
| Oh yeh it's a great example. I just had my nurses hat on and had to comment hehe :) You are right, some people have smaller boobs but it his overall skeletal structure and pelvis shape that makes me think he's a man. But anyway I'm just being picky, it's still a scay image that's for sure!! | |
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gottarhyme Top Poster
Number of posts : 3826 Age : 62 Location : Riverina Registration date : 2011-02-22
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Mon 30 Apr 2012, 3:33 pm | |
| ah well. It doesn't matter, man or woman, its still a good example! Those who think their bones expand to encompass the weight need only look at the woman on the right to see that aint true!
I am not a Doctor, but some women might have small boobs! | |
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Lady bug Newbie
Number of posts : 37 Age : 39 Location : Brisbane Registration date : 2012-04-24
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Mon 30 Apr 2012, 2:48 pm | |
| - gottarhyme wrote:
Despite her weight, there really IS a skinny person under all that bulk! Thank goodness for our sleeves! Incidentally, the woman on the left is 55KG, (120lbs) and the woman on the right is 114kg (250lbs) Its a scary prospect, isn't it?
The person on the left is actually a man judging by the shape of his pelvis. Plus he has no boobs. | |
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Gen Newbie
Number of posts : 101 Location : QLD Registration date : 2011-08-03
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Sun 08 Apr 2012, 8:54 am | |
| Isis I have a friend the same. She is just a "big" person, I call her the Amazon (and sometimes Xena hehe). She has very dense muscle mass and has always weighed a lot heavier than she looks. I, on the other hand, always used the excuse of being big boned but as I am losing weight it's very apparent I have small bones, because they are starting to stick out, so there goes that excuse for me lol.
I think of BMI as a guide, it's certainly not the definitive measure of healthy weight & size. Also, for some (myself included thankfully) the journey has been easier than for others. I have been doing some exercise and being careful with what I eat but I am certainly no angel or role model in that regard. It's important to remember that we are all different, and lead different lives. Many things impact on our ability to lose weight and the weight our bodies settle at.
Those pics really put things into perspective though! | |
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aswan Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 335 Age : 71 Location : England Registration date : 2010-11-03
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Fri 06 Apr 2012, 10:16 pm | |
| Ethnicity also plays a huge part. | |
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Isis Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 548 Age : 40 Location : New Zealand Registration date : 2010-10-28
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Thu 05 Apr 2012, 4:52 am | |
| Yeah it definitely is interesting. I know I carry a lot of muscle - i work out on weights machines 5 days a week as well as doing cardio, so I suppose that adds to my large frame to make me overweight. I find it hard to know what my stomach is made up of... it has rolls of skin that sag and flop around, although it is nice to think that if I had a tummy tuck that would most likely take care of my 'excess' 3 kg. It is nice to think that I have lost a whole small person, but I do hate that I'm still labelled as fat. I don't know how much fat is cranking around inside me and surrounding my organs now - the one time I had a scan I weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 120 kg so it was not pretty! | |
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J Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 761 Age : 39 Location : Melbourne Registration date : 2010-08-04
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Thu 05 Apr 2012, 4:42 am | |
| I'll take Brad Pitt esk from Snatch..
I could work with that. lolll
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gottarhyme Top Poster
Number of posts : 3826 Age : 62 Location : Riverina Registration date : 2011-02-22
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Thu 05 Apr 2012, 4:35 am | |
| Like a lean, mean fightin' machine? LOL! | |
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J Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 761 Age : 39 Location : Melbourne Registration date : 2010-08-04
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Thu 05 Apr 2012, 4:31 am | |
| Yeah I totally understand it has to go on a case to case basis..
I guess I just look at myself personally and wonder how ill I'd look being 85kg lol
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gottarhyme Top Poster
Number of posts : 3826 Age : 62 Location : Riverina Registration date : 2011-02-22
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Thu 05 Apr 2012, 4:27 am | |
| J...you are a man. I also know that you work out! Your muscle has replaced your fat. I know the BMI is not the be all and end all, but I am a sedentary sit down a lot person. Maybe with exercise a few of us replace the fat with muscle, and the BMI results can be skewed. I just know that in MY case, I am not 'big boned', I am not 'heavy set' I was never a muscle woman, I was FAT. I am not hiding behind euphemisms anymore. I told myself those lies for years! I have now lost the fat...Maybe if I added muscle, my BMI would be 25? Its an interesting prospect.
I was more concerned with the fat around my organs. Thats what scared me more than just getting to a weight where I felt 'OK'. At BMI 28, I was not 'OK'. The fat around my middle was unhealthy. Even if I was a size 12! | |
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J Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 761 Age : 39 Location : Melbourne Registration date : 2010-08-04
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Wed 04 Apr 2012, 11:54 pm | |
| If I ever got myself into the "normal" weight range for my height which is about 85-87kg then I'd probably look like I had an eating disorder.
I can't really see where I could lose another 30odd kg, But who knows.
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mamacoops Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 205 Age : 52 Location : South Wales UK Registration date : 2010-07-22
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Wed 04 Apr 2012, 11:44 pm | |
| WOW... these images have really freaked me out... but in a good way!
My BMI is still in the obese range and friends have rubbished it saying that it is nonsense and that I don't need to lose any more weight. But after seeing these pics I am having a total re think! My surgeon's goal puts me at a BMI of around 28-27 which would be OK, but there would still be fat issues. My personal goal is lower and gets me to 24.? on the BMI...
Now, I am really struggling to get more weight off... lots of factors in this but the struggle is very real and very frustrating. I now feel a real need to see some scale movement as these pics have put into perspetive that although I am starting to feel better, I am still work in progress! | |
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gottarhyme Top Poster
Number of posts : 3826 Age : 62 Location : Riverina Registration date : 2011-02-22
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Tue 03 Apr 2012, 11:24 am | |
| I agree...but to say that a person of 5'3', (my height) with a weight problem is OK with a BMI of 28 (That's what I was at 72kg) is OK, is plainly silly! I still had ROLLS of fat around my middle! It was definitely NOT muscle! I am much better of with the healthy BMI I have now! I did not starve myself to get here, I ate normally, but I ate smaller amounts, and started thinking like a healthy, thin person. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. A few treats occasionally, but I can survive without morning and afternoon tea! If I kept having THAT, then I would still be 70KG!
My Surgeon had a seminar last week, and he showed us some similar images, and asked me to talk about weight loss surgery at the seminar. He said that there is a big push by many in this country for a BMI on a surgery patient of 25- 28 to be classed as normal, and not 'overweight' as it is now. However, he pointed out that it should still be classed as overweight, because the health risks of fat around the organs were still there. The fat around the organs was the last fat to go! That is the heart attack material! It has nothing to do with how different your shape is!
And Isis, being a tall woman with big feet and hands is fine! My daughters are 5'9' tall, and are long limbed and both have size 8-9 feet! Like you they have tiny, dainty faces. I know people come in all shapes and sizes, but I did not get this sleeve to be 'almost' not fat! I walk a lot, but that is it.
After one year with the sleeve, most people can lose 65% of their fat. After two years, it should nearly be all gone. It just takes a bit longer for some, I suppose. We all need to be kind to ourselves. | |
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Vronnie Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 596 Location : NSW, Australia Registration date : 2011-02-14
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Tue 03 Apr 2012, 10:35 am | |
| Yes BMI is a good general indicator; that is a "general" indicator. There are other ways of measuring bodyfat that use ultrasonics to determine how much is fat, how much muscle, how much water etc....and of course old fashioned methodology such as calipers to measure fat rolls.
Common sense needs to come into play here, BMI is a good general guide but it definitely isn't the be all & end all. We're all created differently after all. | |
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lin1970 Top Poster
Number of posts : 3316 Age : 53 Location : SA Registration date : 2011-11-18
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Tue 03 Apr 2012, 10:29 am | |
| Isis, no matter what there will always be something we don't like about our bodies.
I found out I have shrunk literally, am now 150cm instead 152-3, I am small feet but very wide and my toenails are very small you can barely get nailpolish on them. I have horrible nostrils, one is sucked in, I call it my crack/cociane nostril (and no I have never taken the stuff lol), I also have under eye skin that is sunk in and my eyelobes are dodgy, yep thanks mum and dad for giving me those dodgy genes. At least my teeth are pretty good, just need braces for the bottom ones. I do have great hair and skin.
Isis, look at your face, you are very pretty, those cheekbones are first class | |
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Isis Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 548 Age : 40 Location : New Zealand Registration date : 2010-10-28
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Tue 03 Apr 2012, 8:37 am | |
| I do think it is an ok indication, but it does upset me a lot when people say I should have a BMI of 23 or something unattainable (being a genuinely big boned heifer lump type individual) because I really, honestly believe that I cannot achieve a normal BMI of even 25 without some serious starvation. The doctor even said to me once, "gosh, look at your broad shoulders and big thigh muscles!" I hate my stupid size 11 feet, giant hands and manly shoulders... I have bigger feet than most of the men in my department, which means inevitably I do not fit our snowshoes or waders and I struggle to find shoes :( I would give anything to be a pretty and dainty little person with a nice little 55kg body. | |
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lin1970 Top Poster
Number of posts : 3316 Age : 53 Location : SA Registration date : 2011-11-18
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Tue 03 Apr 2012, 6:50 am | |
| I don't think the BMI is rubbish however I still think it is one of a few things to consider in relation to fat/muscle. Like you mentioned before Michelle a weightlifter might have a high BMI but he isn't obese just got alot of muscle. | |
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gottarhyme Top Poster
Number of posts : 3826 Age : 62 Location : Riverina Registration date : 2011-02-22
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Tue 03 Apr 2012, 5:25 am | |
| I think that BMI is a good indication of what you should weigh...in our case, being above our healthy BMI just means we have more fat to lose! In my case, what I lost was certainly not muscle!
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sassyred Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 657 Age : 53 Location : Canterbury, New Zealand Registration date : 2011-09-01
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Mon 02 Apr 2012, 11:41 pm | |
| Far out that is amazing. I've always rubbished BMI but now that I am an easy size 12 (which in the past I would have always assumed equalled weight loss olypmic gold medal) I realise that I am supposed to be even smaller. Too much flab I can grab! For a healthy BMI I need to reach 67, that sounds about right to me now. Perhaps I should change my goal..... | |
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lin1970 Top Poster
Number of posts : 3316 Age : 53 Location : SA Registration date : 2011-11-18
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Mon 02 Apr 2012, 1:17 pm | |
| interesting, I had a ct scan in jan andI looked at it later. I saw the fat around my body, nobody is getting to those pics, i had a look at it a few times before I understood what I was seeing.
can see why the drs want us to shrink that liver. also dr d said you can pretty much guarantee that overweight people will have a fatty liver to some degree | |
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snowbunny Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 432 Age : 48 Location : Bunbury, WA Registration date : 2011-06-14
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Mon 02 Apr 2012, 12:14 pm | |
| I can't see past those dodgy looking ankles on the body on the left. lol
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Firie75 Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 623 Location : NSW Registration date : 2011-10-01
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Mon 02 Apr 2012, 12:02 pm | |
| Eeeeeew! We always think more of the sub cut fat than the intra abdominal fat don't we? And just think how much strain all that extra tissue has put on the bones. The X-Ray image looks like the bones and organs are suffocated! | |
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gottarhyme Top Poster
Number of posts : 3826 Age : 62 Location : Riverina Registration date : 2011-02-22
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Sun 01 Apr 2012, 11:33 pm | |
| I saw this image, and I thought, well that puts paid to the 'I have big bones' excuse! The woman on the right is actually a SMALLER framed woman than the woman on the left! There is another, more graphic image that shows a coloured version of where the fat is stored in the body. It isn't just the subcutaneous, (under the skin) fat that we have to worry about, it is the fat that is in and around our vital organs. The fat is the yellowy white stuff. The people in this image are 125kg and 60kg respectively. Now we know why a healthy BMI is so important! The fact that muscle weighs more than fat may negate some of the reasons for having a healthy BMI, a body builder may have a BMI of 40, but its SOLID muscle! With overweight people, we cannot use that excuse. Our BMI is fat. Pure and simple. We are so lucky to have the sleeve! The woman on the left in the coloured image has an enlarged heart, and her ankles! Look at the fat around her organs! Poor thing...Ignore the URL at the bottom of the image! I couldn't delete it. | |
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ozrick33 Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 382 Age : 63 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2012-03-12
| Subject: Re: An interesting image! Sun 01 Apr 2012, 11:19 pm | |
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