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mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Tue 18 Oct 2011, 1:56 am | |
| I've started a diary instead of writing here and taking up space....goodby Introductions and helloooooo Dear Diary... | |
| | | mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Sun 16 Oct 2011, 1:04 pm | |
| Hey 100%-er & D'Girlz......thanks for replys, they are great.
I'm soooo sorry D'Girlz....I hope your ass isnt too sore...I didnt mean it...truely....hee hee hee..........please forgive me.
I agree with you...a believer in the research and helping get the info out there.
It sure isnt/wouldnt be easy to change the pre sleeve mind set...something that has served us well all our lives to survive but has also been the undoing of so many....definately myself up at the beginning of the line there!! After all, I know for myself that the safe and known is comfortable and exactly that...safe! The unkown is frightening but at the same time the "wanting" to be a normal, healthy weight is set deep.
I'm so happy for you that you have had a great day....you go girl! ;)
Kinglake is located not far from Yarra Glen and Healsville...I know where Pakenham is...I've driven through there on my way down to the beach.
Thanks 100%-er.....thats helped heaps and given me alot more insight into knowing how to solve the "steak" question when we go out to dinner. How did you deal or rather change your pre-op food mindset....what was?
Jane | |
| | | D'Girlz Top Poster
Number of posts : 1749 Age : 49 Location : Melbourne Registration date : 2011-01-09
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Sun 16 Oct 2011, 11:03 am | |
| Hey Jane,
Thanks for the kick in the butt LOL but I saw Patrick just a few weeks ago. I am a big believer in research - so I will continue to contribute all I can.
I know my problem is not my tool - it is the fat head attached to it!! Bwwahhhahaha. My thinking has been pretty screwed for a while now, but I had a great day today.
Where is Kinglake? I'm in Pakenham. | |
| | | 100%-er Top Poster
Number of posts : 1217 Age : 54 Location : Melbourne Registration date : 2011-01-21
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:54 am | |
| I wanted to give you my experience with eating out post-sleeve. My DH and I love eating out, and boy, has it changed!! I do order entrees mostly, sometimes my DH will order one too, then he will eat my leftovers and that's about a full meal for him. Sometimes we do share a main meal, like we love the lemon chicken and rice at Switch, but it's a huge meal, so we share. Sometimes, however, I really feel like a main meal food, eg. steak, so I will order a full meal for myself. I either take the leftovers home to eat for my lunches for a few days or my DH will finish off for me. Now my DH has lost over 34kgs since my sleeve journey began, so he is not eating all of my leftovers and ballooning, we just make good choices. An example is we went to this restaurant we love the other night, and both ordered 200gm eye fillet steak. I ate what I could... less than half, and then DH had the rest. That meant he ate just over 300gms of steak, which is sooooo much less than we would have previously had. We both felt satisfied and continue to lose weight. Sorry for the extended response, but I wanted you to know that you can still eat whatever you want post sleeve. | |
| | | mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Sun 16 Oct 2011, 2:11 am | |
| its great to talk with you and your experience with Patrick, it makes it so much easier.
I am in Kinglake....you?
I was hopeing you'd say the sleeve was better than a c-section :).....sub-divide me and kentucky fry me!!!.......bwahahaha
D'Girlz...I was stalking...ooops....reading your diary page last night and it got me having one of those.."uhhha" moments of stuff Patrick was talking about the other day....I am a really big google junkie etc regarding any information of something I dont know or want to find out about.....sometimes there is just too much information out there!
I was going to post on your diary but I really dont want to come across as a know it all or I know it all...because believe me I dont.. and I havent even had the sleeve yet so I'm definately clueless here....but what Patrick was talking about now makes sense, because it really didnt at the time.
Apparently with the sleeve being a "tool" to assist in great weight loss it is exactly that a tool(mind you I can be a tool too at the best of times) post op evidence stands at about the 5 yr mark as it is relatively a newer proceedure say over the band. Patrick related it to say a car....the car being a tool to get you where you need to go....most of the times....until one day you notice that its not running as efficiently or 100% as it should be and your not getting the performance that you used to have with it and there are days that you feel like your heading backwards rather than forwards. So either we keep on driving along or we take it in for a check-up. This is where Patrick mentioned that post-op visits lessen off or cease towards the end of the first year mark as people are loosing weight well or have lost their goal weight, but if only there had been a check-up..so to speak...he could of assisted in the on-going use of the tool if people needed it and also from an evidencial(sp)prospective for future "tool" maintenence.....what are the road blocks and how can we over come them. I mean if we take out a 1 yr warrenty on a really expensive item we buy and then it doesnt run to expected or we have issues with its performance we would go back to the manufacturer wouldnt we?
is this how he explained it for you pre-op?....or am I just a true Holden freak.....mind you I'm driving a F..d at the moment....mmmm..upchuck in the mouth...ewwww.....without prejudice....without prejudice..... :))))
I personally would like to see...say...the 10 yr mark of the sleeve op(they are at about the 8 yr mark now) as the best choice for weight loss surgery for me....not for the medical profession to see it as not the best option for future people wanting WLS as previous patients were back to square one years later.
Please,please, know that I'm not trying to be a snoop, buttinski, know it all..or the like....after reading your diary I just wanted to post to maybe help :)......................psst: if you havent already, take your "tool" back to the manufacterer for a check-up :)
Jane | |
| | | D'Girlz Top Poster
Number of posts : 1749 Age : 49 Location : Melbourne Registration date : 2011-01-09
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Sun 16 Oct 2011, 1:13 am | |
| I was also sleeved by Patrick - he is a character - but is very very good.
I was also worried, but Patrick is very professional and has a very low post op complications. You are in good hands. Sleeve is way easier than a c-section. Where abouts in Melb are you?
You posted : A question thats been on my mind.........
How is it..or rather...how do you prepare yourself for the...I dont now what to call it or how to explain it properly....grief(?)..loss(?)...wanting what was(?) in relation to food?...like the relationship you had with foods before the op? For example..I really enjoy Yum Cha, and I understand that I am where I am weight wise because my relationship with food is not good, healthy, or portion controlled alot of the time.....how did everyone address this issue? All suggestions most welcome please.
My hubby is considering WLS too in the future and we were talking tonight about my surgeon visit when hubby asked.."Say we go out to the pub for tea. Will you ever be able to eat a piece of steak again? I dont think they make entree sized steaks! Will we be a couple who will need to share a piece of steak?" My reply was "I dont know. I know I dont want to be this size any more, and I'm roaring down the road to diabetes and other health issues. I dont want to have an unhealthy "relationship" with food any more! ...and to be healthy and a healthy weight there needs to be sacrifice, change and pro-action" This go me wondering....how do post-op sleevers deal with this?
I can eat everything - just in smaller amounts. When it comes to steak - you will have to share because most restaurants boast in giving you big ones!!! LOL. I sometimes wish I could finish XYZ - but that is what got me into this mess int he first place. You get used to eating smaller amounts, and as the weight falls off, you start loving it. I still have to deal with my "fat head" - what I call my bad food thoughts etc. This is not something that goes away - but the damage you can do is limited by the size of the sleeve.
I hope this helps. | |
| | | mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Sat 15 Oct 2011, 12:58 pm | |
| Hey D'Girlz......thank you for the compliment, its really appreciated. Sometimes its really, really hard to not feel a failure when some days it just seems one thing on top of another....but I pick myself up, dust myself off and pick the grit from between my teeth and go on :) I was on "the meds" almost 12 yrs ago during a seperation......holly moley they were definately the saving of me.... I did come off them and the sun was shining again! I am totally all for them, but for myself, at times taking them I dont feel necessarily that I'm the one driving this boat!....its all in my head I know that, but I think I'm just too proud for my own good! Diary sounds like a good idea you think? ....today feeling nervous but excited about 30th Nov'...pending all tests. I know its a must to know all there is about this op ...good and bad......but some stories I've been reading can be really scary..especially about the leaks etc. Positve..positive!! I was really straight forward in asking my surgeon about his number of leaks,DVT, tensioning, obstruction/blockage and infection and the dreaded "D" I mean...I've been through two c-sections, surely I can go through this cant I ?....I'm tougher than that!!....after all I am woman....a cougar.. and I'm in control(well...mostly) My surgeon mentioned regarding a leak, that they usually occur at the top of the stomach staple line????? and obviously to lesson the chance of one he uses smaller staples in that part of the stomach. The bougie??? thingee is a size 38 across the board for him he said. Jane ...courage...courage | |
| | | D'Girlz Top Poster
Number of posts : 1749 Age : 49 Location : Melbourne Registration date : 2011-01-09
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Sat 15 Oct 2011, 11:18 am | |
| Hi Jane,
First of all, you are such a beautiful woman. Your avatar pic is so pretty!
Secondly, please don't feel like a failure due to meds. Sometimes, you have to have some help to get you to a better place - and it wont be forever!
In regards to the diary - I say go for it!! It is amazing to go back and read what was going through your mind at that time. It also helps you stay focused (and honest).
Goodluck and I look forward to following your journey. | |
| | | mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Sat 15 Oct 2011, 12:38 am | |
| Thank you retta83 :) I finding it very exciting but all very nerve racking at the same time. All the doubts, questions, fears, .."is this the best thing for me?"..., guilt, annoyance........etc.etc.... I was speaking to my friend who had the sleeve done at the beginning of the year (and mind you...he looks fabulous!) His starting weight was 140kg and he has now reached his goal of 87kg....that just over 50kg lost in 10 months! Absoloutly an inspiration he is. Our kids go to the same school so I have seen his progress almost daily and he is usually riding his bike to school with his kids for the afternoon pick ups....I think its about 6-8 kms round trip. He is eating well with what he says .."everything"....just less. Its when I talk to him and see him that I know this is the absoloute right thing for me........its just really scary. I am really an anxious person and have been most of my life (adoption issues...weight issues....blahhhhhh!) and a couple of years ago there were events that changed my entire perspective on life everyday....and panic attacks came back with a vengence....so my psychologist brought out the "big guns" (meds) to assist me to get to a better place everyday. I really struggled feeling like a super dooper failure!..mega fail!!!!! I tell you its a nightmare living in the fear zone every minute of the day...its so exhausting and physically a car crash to the body!! I'm thinking about starting a diary post maybe....is it too early or should I just go for it? Jane | |
| | | retta83 Newbie
Number of posts : 84 Age : 40 Location : kalgoorlie western australia Registration date : 2011-03-10
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Fri 14 Oct 2011, 4:47 am | |
| hey jane Thats is great news everything went well Patrick it will all come around very quick for u exciting. | |
| | | mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Thu 13 Oct 2011, 1:22 pm | |
| A question thats been on my mind.........
How is it..or rather...how do you prepare yourself for the...I dont now what to call it or how to explain it properly....grief(?)..loss(?)...wanting what was(?) in relation to food?...like the relationship you had with foods before the op? For example..I really enjoy Yum Cha, and I understand that I am where I am weight wise because my relationship with food is not good, healthy, or portion controlled alot of the time.....how did everyone address this issue? All suggestions most welcome please.
My hubby is considering WLS too in the future and we were talking tonight about my surgeon visit when hubby asked.."Say we go out to the pub for tea. Will you ever be able to eat a piece of steak again? I dont think they make entree sized steaks! Will we be a couple who will need to share a piece of steak?" My reply was "I dont know. I know I dont want to be this size any more, and I'm roaring down the road to diabetes and other health issues. I dont want to have an unhealthy "relationship" with food any more! ...and to be healthy and a healthy weight there needs to be sacrifice, change and pro-action" This go me wondering....how do post-op sleevers deal with this?
Jane | |
| | | mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Thu 13 Oct 2011, 7:35 am | |
| okay....well I'm back... Appointment with Patrick went really well...he certainly is a character!....funny as...we had quite a laugh....he was great at explaining everything to me and answering any questions that I had...we even watched an actual sleeve op that he did on Utube, and he pointed everything out for me......he's def' "built"...I mean he looks like he does abit of weight training...and no...lol....not just the weight training he does in surgery....lol.....absoloutly a lovely man. So......book in for Barrium swallow next week and bloods the same day......dietitian the first week of November.....Gastrosopy the third week of November....another appointment with Patrick the week after that and if all results good with Gastrosopy then sleeve date 30th November!!.....I think thats about 6 weeks till op. An interesting topic of discussion today with Patrick was regarding the data, statistics etc of the sleeve and outcomes 12 months....2 yrs....5 yrs.....etc post op. To up the data for the sleeve more info needs to be collected and this can only happen through the people who have already had this op.....data gathered is about five yrs worth even though this op has been done for the past eight yrs. Apparently ...for whatever reasons.....people stop coming into their surgeons...dietitians...and the like after about 10-12 months and longer so the collection of surgery outcomes is not necessarily coming back to where it would be helpful to others wanting the surgery, the doctors, the surgeons, medical boards, hospitals, dietitians...etc....etc. I found this facinating. So WOW....what an interesting day. So didnt go clothes shopping .....but went to Ikea instead .......naughty, naughty me!! I tell you though...I reckon I've got whiplash from walking around looking at ALL the lovely thingees there....."look at thaaaat"........"ooohhhh, I could put that over..."............"OMFG!.....I really want one of those....and that one..and just another one of these..".................I'm a sad, sad,sad woman!! Jane | |
| | | mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Wed 12 Oct 2011, 10:15 pm | |
| Thanks lovely lady...
Well I'm happy that Patrick is a man with real character :).....love that!.....its hard to get the "feel" of someone when they are straighter than all four sides of a square!...pmsl ;)
You have heaps of fun shopping tonight with hubby...I can feel the warm fuzzy happy feeling now....bwahahaha :)
I'll check back later today after my appointment today
Jane | |
| | | 100%-er Top Poster
Number of posts : 1217 Age : 54 Location : Melbourne Registration date : 2011-01-21
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Wed 12 Oct 2011, 8:59 pm | |
| I am so excited for you Jane.. what an exciting time!! I attended different info evenings and rang around different surgeries in Jan. I saw Anthony early Feb for the first time. I could have been sleeved early March, but I was going away to NZ, so put the date off until April school hols. It depends a lot on whether there is a cancellation or not too, you are very lucky getting in so early with Patrick. He is the senior partner, and is a real character!! I do believe you are in safe hands with that surgery, both surgeons are great. Have a great day today! (I'm off to Knox shopping centre tonight for late night shopping... my DH has lost 33kgs since I was sleeved, just through will power, changing the way we eat and Tony Ferguson. So his sizing has changed dramatically too - he is a fiend with shopping now, all the trendy stores, I love it!!) | |
| | | mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Wed 12 Oct 2011, 11:42 am | |
| Hey 100%-er
Thanks for your reply.....and GOOD ON YOU....what an inspiration you are & that's a really big drop in clothes sizes...you must be really stoked...I know I would be :) You go girl!!...lol
..mmmm....clothes...I just love them...it could be a scarf or really whatever..lol....so I know where your coming from with that lovely addiction.
Its great to hear some more info on Patrick Moore and that I am aimed in the right direction...thank you. I see him tomorrow (butterflies in my tummy)...and I've just finished filling out all that paper work that gets sent.....makes it more of a reality I suppose. But I've been lucky, or maybe just rang at the right time because when I rang to see if I could possibly have an appointment with him maybe sometime this year, Christine said there was a time available this week. BINGO!....I'll take that thank you very much...hee hee hee.
So GP in the morning for referral...then onto Patrick for the "chat". Hopeing all goes well.
Can I ask how long from when you initially consulted with Anthony until you were sleeved? There are so many variable with that one isnt there.
Jane | |
| | | 100%-er Top Poster
Number of posts : 1217 Age : 54 Location : Melbourne Registration date : 2011-01-21
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Wed 12 Oct 2011, 10:31 am | |
| Hi Jane, I have enjoyed reading your diary so far. I was sleeved 6 months ago by Anthony Clough, Patrick's partner in the surgery. I have seen Patrick twice when one of my incisions didn't heal as quickly as it could. I am full of praise for both Anthony and Patrick. I have met a couple of people sleeved by Patrick and they are full of praise for him. I understand about the clothes addiction, I have one, even though I used to wear size 30/32. I am now wearing a 22/24, which is still big, but means that I can fit into big size shops clothes, which gives me some choice, which I haven't had in a long time. Can't imagine being a 'normal' size.
Good luck with your journey..... and of course with opti... it's blah! | |
| | | mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Wed 12 Oct 2011, 8:57 am | |
| ..lol...thanks Jaime.....lifes too short 'ey girlfriend........hee hee. Well your not too far away from me I live in Kinglake. Sounds like the catch ups are excellent....groups of peoples filled with courage, inspiration & spirit.............another addiction with me....COFFEE!.......mmmmmm. Yes...my daughter absoloutly loved the shopping over in the USA....and OMG!....the heels of some of the shoes she has bought, she can absoloutly, positively keep those all to herself...lol....my back and myself have no aspiritions for those high rise ankle cripplers!! I'm with you ....lets do this roller coaster together girlfriend!!......bwahahahaha | |
| | | Jaime Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 1024 Registration date : 2010-08-24
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Wed 12 Oct 2011, 7:53 am | |
| LOL Jane, you're so funny!! Where in Melbourne are you? I am in Boronia. Some of the Melbourne girls catch up sometimes and everyone is all at different sleeving stages, pre sleeved, post sleeved, long termers etc etc. All the girls are lovely!
I would have an addiction to clothes shopping if I could get decent stuff that fit nicely and that didn't cost a fortune lol. The USA is the best for shopping! I have been 3 times but next time will be a lot different ... I will be slim and I will go more nuts than usual LOL.
Let's ride that roller coaster together girlfriend!! hahahaha | |
| | | mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Wed 12 Oct 2011, 5:26 am | |
| Hey Janette, Thank you for your well wishes...really appreciated . I too am hopeing to get off the BP meds and allieviate my joints from the stress and help my back feel better.....especially in the mornings , when it screams at me..."you Biatch!"..lol.. I really would love to feel better about my self ...my self-image, my health, my self-worth ( because sometimes being over weight is like being a "lesser" of a human being to some) ..and even though I am a "bubbly" , confident and at times outspoken and opinionated (go figure!!)...there is still a person underneath all that that is VERY self conscious and at times quite self loathing too . I hope to love my sleeve tooooooooooooooooo. Jaime.....lol......but you are still bloody brilliant woman!....well done to you. Speaking of clothes........my daughter has just returned from a 28 day away from her mumma from a trip to the USA. She has been busy showing me her beautiful clothes...dresses...HOOTERS tops (hee hee)...and I'm thinking to myself.."..mmm....in 12 months could I?..? I love that dress..and that one!....ooohh and also that one!.." bwahahahaha.......well .....naughty me!.....I can dream cant I?......................did I mention that I'm a clothes junkie?? I really have a problem with the "clothes rack" though so to speak and the money buying new clothes so they fit! I'm in refusal mode with myself....what a joke....NO MORE CLOTHES!.....I'm gonna loose the weight and get healthy...feel healthy...feel good about myself....after all...who wants to ride the ferris wheel for the rest of their lives...quiet, slow, tame and safe? NOT ME!.....I want the roller coaster sometimes( even if it is the kiddies one) Jane | |
| | | Janette Top Poster
Number of posts : 4341 Age : 70 Location : Gundagai, NSW Registration date : 2009-09-13
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Tue 11 Oct 2011, 9:24 pm | |
| Hi Jane and welcome. Wishing you well with your weight loss journey. I am now off all BP meds and pain meds. Was living on them 24/7 for joint pain. Life has gone from being the pits to very normal. Love my sleeve! | |
| | | Jaime Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 1024 Registration date : 2010-08-24
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Tue 11 Oct 2011, 1:37 pm | |
| Haha thanks Jane! It was over 5 weeks though, from when I started my 2 weeks pre op Opti stage. Can't wait to go shopping LOL! | |
| | | mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Tue 11 Oct 2011, 12:16 pm | |
| Hey Jaime
I just looked at your weight ticker thingee and WOW....I mean WOW.....11 kilos lost in only 3 weeks.................WOW...that is so great...you must be pleased and from what I've heard it will speed up as you go with plateaus thrown in for good measure...which is not a bad thing as then your body can adjust and then continue on down the yellow brick road ..with of course, a few clothes shopping detours thrown in for pleasure(hee hee hee)..loads more energy, body & organs just lovin' the new you........Fan-bl%#dy-tastic for you Jaime :)
Jane | |
| | | Jaime Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 1024 Registration date : 2010-08-24
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Tue 11 Oct 2011, 11:22 am | |
| Hey Jane
I am feeling really good! Yeah I have written a long speil about my surgery day on there ... it's very descriptive, so kudos if you get through that one single entry LOL ... I think it's on page 2.
I have heard Patrick Moore is good ... A friend of a friend is getting a Bypass done by him next year also. | |
| | | mjmj50 Newbie
Number of posts : 108 Location : melbourne Registration date : 2011-10-04
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Tue 11 Oct 2011, 8:23 am | |
| Hi Jaime
Thank you.....
Wow..three weeks ago! How are you going? Feeling well? I will need to have a look at your diary to read about your experience...I just noticed that you had one.
I going to see Patrick Moore at Epworth Box Hill
Jane | |
| | | Jaime Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 1024 Registration date : 2010-08-24
| Subject: Re: Hi...my name is Jane... Tue 11 Oct 2011, 6:02 am | |
| Congrats for taking the first step Jane! I was sleeved by Ian Michell 3 weeks ago at Epworth Richmond. | |
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