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+9gottarhyme Caz sassyred PiercedMumma08 Kylieh LISSYD Bella77 LittleMissCee hazelbaby 13 posters | Author | Message |
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Goldie oldie Newbie
Number of posts : 192 Age : 83 Location : Mullumbimby Registration date : 2011-06-04
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Fri 07 Oct 2011, 9:16 am | |
| I am going to upset a lot of people with this post but I do believe the sleeve is not fail proof and it needs the help of a diet.
Call it what you like, healthy eating is a popular label but it still boils down to diet.
Probably as little as 10% reach goal without too much hassle but at a guess the other 9o% have to diet. One does eat less than prior to surgery but If you don't change your eating habits you will stall with the weight loss and then start to put it back on.
Sure in the early days it comes of easily but after three or four months if you do not diet the loss slows to a trickle as old habits kick in.
I agree it is easier to get the loss started again with the help of the sleeve but the dreaded word diet is still needed to get results.
I know we should offer encouragement to people contemplating spending a lot of money to have the operation but I also feel people should be aware that they need to stop eating the crap that made them overweight in the first place.
It is not a case of have the operation and never be fat again. We need to be honest and tell the true story.
There are failures out there.
Goldie Oldie | |
| | | chrisbychic Top Poster
Number of posts : 7036 Age : 67 Location : Adelaide, Australia Registration date : 2008-06-02
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Thu 06 Oct 2011, 10:20 am | |
| Hey, Nat Well, that's what we're here for, isn't it? As for your question, I guess the main thing that I would suggest is to maintain your good post-sleeve eating habits, and don't fall into the trap of eating as much junk as you like. Take advantage of your good post-sleeve diet and stick to it... | |
| | | PiercedMumma08 Top Poster
Number of posts : 1702 Age : 45 Location : Australia Registration date : 2010-04-05
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Thu 06 Oct 2011, 9:23 am | |
| - chrisbychic wrote:
- Okay, I'm over 3years out now, and have been through everything mentioned by all of you. At around 18 months after the op, I was eating whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted, and not putting on any weight, and still losing a little. I was really happy with how I could eat without worrying about it at all.
Then, about 9 months ago, I guess, I found that I was putting on a little weight. Not much, but it was there. But because I hadn't had to watch my diet for so long (apart from protein first, eating healthily, etc) I've found it incredibly difficult to get back into that mode, and have now put on a total of about 8kg. On top of that, I'm finding that I can eat more than I could even 6 months ago - no idea why, and of course it's different every day. So now it's back to diet mode for me, and I must admit that I resent it a lot, as I got to the point where I was totally rejoicing my new experience of never having to worry about what I ate. I also feel that it's harder now to diet, and I think that's to do with the resentment I mentioned. Needless to say, I'm working on all this and hoping to get a handle on it again soon. As is often said, the sleeve is a tool. It's not magic - but it sure did feel like it for quite a while! Hey Chris, Thanks so much for being open and honest about your experiences. I guess i have a question- what do you think would be the best advice for us in the early days so that our minds focus on the healthy eating.... if that makes sense? Nat xdoxox | |
| | | chrisbychic Top Poster
Number of posts : 7036 Age : 67 Location : Adelaide, Australia Registration date : 2008-06-02
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Wed 05 Oct 2011, 9:07 pm | |
| Okay, I'm over 3years out now, and have been through everything mentioned by all of you. At around 18 months after the op, I was eating whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted, and not putting on any weight, and still losing a little. I was really happy with how I could eat without worrying about it at all. Then, about 9 months ago, I guess, I found that I was putting on a little weight. Not much, but it was there. But because I hadn't had to watch my diet for so long (apart from protein first, eating healthily, etc) I've found it incredibly difficult to get back into that mode, and have now put on a total of about 8kg. On top of that, I'm finding that I can eat more than I could even 6 months ago - no idea why, and of course it's different every day. So now it's back to diet mode for me, and I must admit that I resent it a lot, as I got to the point where I was totally rejoicing my new experience of never having to worry about what I ate. I also feel that it's harder now to diet, and I think that's to do with the resentment I mentioned. Needless to say, I'm working on all this and hoping to get a handle on it again soon. As is often said, the sleeve is a tool. It's not magic - but it sure did feel like it for quite a while! | |
| | | didles Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 249 Age : 42 Location : Central Coast Registration date : 2010-09-09
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Wed 05 Oct 2011, 10:59 am | |
| I am hearing myself in a lot of these posts. I love food and will always do so. Now I am a food entertainer, I love to cook for others that's how I get it out of my system.
As for the diet thing well I will be honest I don't at all. I will do maccas, biscuits, and now normal coke. BUT I can bearly eat a cheeseburger, biscuits is one and a glass of coke well I sit on it for about an hour. This is not an every day thing but I have got this far like this. Don't get me wrong I will eat my protein first and make sure I have had those things but if I am out and kids get maccas well I will. You notice the amounts are no where near as it was before, my maccas weapon of choice was quarter ponder, but the double one in a large. You will see you just can't do it.
I am now sitting on 52.3kg, I have just had my gall bladder out and feel sick when I eat hence the drop but now I am trying my best to get it back on, I can hardly fit an opti in now. I will sit on it for hours and I am getting tired of comments about "You didn't eat much" But I have a lot of small, like Monday we were going out for lunch and with the system mess called daylight savings, so at 10:30 I had poached egg on a piece of toast at 1pm I had 3 and a bit chicken tenders, bearing in mind I only finished breakfast at 11am, then I had 2 snakes and a biscuit for arvo tea and a ham and cheese toastie for dinner thats it for me. Wine is my weakness before a bottle now barely two glasses.
Try not to stress about the diet thing you will notice the change you feel, for me I was standing in the cupboard and was thinking what the hell? I am not hungry and walked away. You will notice the bored eating, emotional eating, and the whole eating for eatings sake.
Hope that helps, as I have just been honest as that is how I am............. But with all that I have come from about 97ish down to 52ish, not as big as some but with my medical condition I can not exercise at all, even walking I am in bed with migranes. I wouldn't advise not exercising but want to show you it can be done.
Good luck with your journey, you will get to the other side trust me, it will be bumpy but you'll get there. | |
| | | leici Sponsor
Number of posts : 544 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2010-05-27
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Tue 04 Oct 2011, 11:32 pm | |
| Hazelbaby,
I can honestly say that for the first time in 45 years ( and I'm in my mid fifties) I am not obsessed with diet/ worry about food. I'm 15 months out and in the normal weight range. I eat and for the first time really understand that food is fuel. Before the sleeve you ate so much of everything that food was one big mass of cramming and feeling guilty and worried etc etc.
Now I know that protein is needed- but I can have days when I just feel like eating a cream bun, an icecream and a chocolate- and I do -but not frequently. It balances out.
It is so liberating NOT to be dieting and on the merry go round. | |
| | | Caz Sponsor
Number of posts : 5909 Age : 74 Location : Australia Registration date : 2009-01-20
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Tue 04 Oct 2011, 10:08 pm | |
| Awesome! Welcome to the rest of your life | |
| | | gottarhyme Top Poster
Number of posts : 3826 Age : 62 Location : Riverina Registration date : 2011-02-22
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Tue 04 Oct 2011, 11:14 am | |
| I went on holiday to Tathra last week, got up each morning to a coffee and a bowl of cereal and I walked along the beach every day for about an hour, went to a little coffee shop after my walk, and shared 1/2 an apricot danish with my Mum, and a cappuccino every day, ate fresh fish and chips for lunch (Admittedly, only about three bites of fish, and three chips, Mum ate the rest!) made a small cheese platter with Tilba cheese and a glass of wine every afternoon (Again TEENY cheese platter!) and at night Mum cooked, usually chile con carne or more fish, but grilled, and on the last night, I ate 1/2 a dozen oysters kilpatrick for tea...
And I LOST 1.5KG!
I am not on a diet. This is my life now! | |
| | | LittleMissCee Administrator
Number of posts : 2103 Age : 36 Location : WA Registration date : 2010-01-03
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Tue 04 Oct 2011, 10:32 am | |
| You're welcome Hazel.
I'm going to speak to my GP & go see a counsellor to deal with my food issues - I want to be able to move forward in life (as yourself) without the food demons always on my back. It gets easier as you go along, but like you, I also want to be able to eat the things I want, and not beat myself up about it either (not saying I'm going to have hot chips every single day for lunch).
Oh, and thank you so much Bella & sassy :) x | |
| | | hazelbaby Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 370 Age : 56 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2011-08-20
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Tue 04 Oct 2011, 8:57 am | |
| Hi again, Thanks so much for the really helpful and very candid responses. It is sooo good to be able to find out these things from others who 'get' it. Food has been my drug of choice for years and as the need falls away as I get my issues sorted, I want to leave it behind. Don't get me wrong, I've still got a loooong way to go, but I can almost see the light at the end of a very long and dark tunnel paved with food. A sleeve just might be the tool I need to tip the balance. I'm so hoping that I'll get to be the person who 'goes on her merry way' after the sleeve heals and I figure out what works and doesn't work for me. I just want to be 'normalish' around food. Would really love to eat to live NOT live to eat. Cliched but so true. | |
| | | Caz Sponsor
Number of posts : 5909 Age : 74 Location : Australia Registration date : 2009-01-20
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Mon 03 Oct 2011, 11:29 pm | |
| Interesting what you said about the burger PM. I also order things like that - or a steak sandwich or something - and pick off the bread if it is a really big one, or just eat the bottom part of the bread if it is small. I had a small steak sandwich yesterday - lean beef, caramelised onions and tomato/lettuce on a thin piece of bread which I ate more to have something to hold on to (didn't feel like using a knife/fork). I also had a few chips and gave all the rest away.
Once I would have eaten the lot and still been hungry! Such a change. | |
| | | sassyred Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 657 Age : 53 Location : Canterbury, New Zealand Registration date : 2011-09-01
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Mon 03 Oct 2011, 10:19 pm | |
| Hi Hazel, I completely understand your frustration with food and obsession and had similar thoughts myself. Then I thought, I'd rather be thinner, happier and obsessed with food than remain overweight, unhappy and obsessed with food. Put that way it was a no-brainer for me. Good luck with your decsions.
And ditto Bella77 - LittleMissC you look awesome! | |
| | | PiercedMumma08 Top Poster
Number of posts : 1702 Age : 45 Location : Australia Registration date : 2010-04-05
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Mon 03 Oct 2011, 9:36 pm | |
| Hi Hazel,
That is a really good question. I am 13 months out from my sleeve and have lost 72 kilos.
I eat whatever I want, whenever I want.... just a hell of a lot less of it.
I dont count calories or carbs or anything anymore. I am mindful of making good choices but I also have junk on occasion.
I do get a bit of food guilt when I eat badly for a whole day (if we are out or whatever) but I eat in moderation now and my thinking about food has definately changed.
I opt for healthier options without thinking about it, I prepare more home cooked meals that we ever have- because I prefer that- automatically- if that makes sense.
Yes, in the early days and stages post op, you do need to be monitoring calorie intake, protein, etc as these are the main points for post op care- if you dont eat enough calories, your body will suffer, and protein is so important.
So I guess what Im saying is that this far out, I still make healthier choices MOST of the time, but it just happens without me thinking about it. I definately feel 'heavier' and not so energetic if my food choices arent the best- my body prefers the healthier options- because it FEELS better. I hope that makes sense.... i guess my body doesnt have to work so hard to break down better choices than it does breaking down fat laden foods. Well, thats what I think anyway!
For example, we went out the other day for lunch to a pub, I ordered a chicken burger knowing I would have no hope of even getting 1/4 of it in.
It came out with chips. Pre sleeve I would have gobbled up the whole lot, dessert, and probably finished my daughters as well.
I picked the bread apart, I ate one slice of the chicken breast, 4 bites of the salad and about 3 chips. Its not until this morning I thought about how Id eaten- protein first, salad, then the treat. Interesting huh!
I also chose the sleeve as I wanted to enjoy life in moderation, not be counting calories, fats, etc for ever. Ive been on the diet roller coaster all my life and wanted it to end.
So I hope this has been some help. Its important to remember that everyone is different- and some people cant tolerate carbs, so they count/ watch them as they react badly to their bodies. So im sure that you will find what works for you and when.
Email me anytime if I can help.
Nat. | |
| | | Kylieh Newbie
Number of posts : 120 Age : 51 Location : Perth, Western Australia Registration date : 2011-09-04
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Mon 03 Oct 2011, 2:51 pm | |
| Really good question, Hazelbaby. I am looking forward to seeing more answers as I was just discussing this with a friend today... | |
| | | LISSYD Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 242 Age : 46 Location : Toowoomba QLD Registration date : 2011-07-23
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Mon 03 Oct 2011, 2:34 pm | |
| Hi Hazelbaby..I have a friend..that had the sleeve last july and she said day dot that she will never diet again! and she didn't..she has gone from a size 128kgs to 65kgs in 8 months..she said I have dieted all my life and if she had to do it with the sleeve she wouldn't do and left it at that.. Don't get me wrong she has watched what she eats and avoids places like maccas as this is her weakness.. but she never weighed or counted foods or protein ,fats,carbs etc and she couldn't be happier..feels great and looks great..She did do the the fluid..mushie..soft stages but after than..just went on her merry way..I think for me I wil do the same as counting protein,fats,carbs will do my head in aswel..Good luck xx | |
| | | Bella77 Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 289 Age : 47 Location : Perth, Western Australia Registration date : 2010-08-04
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Mon 03 Oct 2011, 2:32 pm | |
| WOW LMC - love your new profile pic...you can see your weight loss for sure. You look Amazing. well done. | |
| | | LISSYD Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 242 Age : 46 Location : Toowoomba QLD Registration date : 2011-07-23
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Mon 03 Oct 2011, 2:31 pm | |
| Hi Hazelbaby..I have a friend..that had the sleeve last july and she said day dot that she will never diet again! and she didn't..she has gone from a size 128kgs to 65kgs in 8 months..she said I have dieted all my life and if she had to do it with the sleeve she wouldn't do and left it at that.. Don't get me wrong she has watched what she eats and avoids places like maccas as this is her weakness.. but she never weighed or counted foods or protein ,fats,carbs etc and she couldn't be happier..feels great and looks great..She did do the the fluid..mushie..soft stages but after than..just went on her merry way..I think for me I wil do the same as counting protein,fats,carbs will do my head in aswel..Good luck xx | |
| | | Bella77 Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 289 Age : 47 Location : Perth, Western Australia Registration date : 2010-08-04
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Mon 03 Oct 2011, 2:29 pm | |
| Hi Hazelbaby
I can't comment about the sleeve but I can comment on what it was like when i had my band. I know it is different but I understand the diet mentality brain you talk about...I have it. I am goign with the sleeve now that I have my band out (that was two years aga) because I just cant do it anymore. I am tired of the merry go round and the rollercoaster and mainly I am so tired of being obsessed with food. I love food, not just eating, but cook it, entertaining wiht it etc. But I find that to put myself on a diet I have to become even more obsessed with it....what I can eat, what I can't eat, planning meals, shopping...yes you can buy that, no you can't buy that, how many calories in that, how many carbs, how much fat, have I had enough water today? Have I eaten my carb limit? You can't have that, how many points? Can I have that glass of wine? blah blah blah...I don't get how being obsessed withoyur drug helps you stay away from it and I just can't do it anymore!!!!! So yes I understand.
But back to the point of your post...again this is only from my band experience, but I found that I was no longer like that. There was still a similar post op diet to the sleeve, it just didn't go for as long. I do remember getting sick of tomato soup, and being realy happy to move onto normal foods but really its such a distant memory now. Its a means to an end and you get through it. But I found I was not hungry between meals but my band was hard when you'd want something and it was food you couldnt eat or you'd be out or eating with other people and then it was "I cant eat that" but other than that I found that the obession lessened and then went.
What was good for me is I was still able to cook for people and get my love of food that way but just found I and my body got used to the eating at meals and I was just satisfied. Where as before I never was. If I wanted something I had it just of course couldnt have much of it. I found that I no longer "osessed" with food or spent all my time thinking about it because I was satisfied and didn't feel the need to eat all the time. Like I said I and my body and I guess my brain got used to it eventually it wasn't a big deal. It wasnt something I thought of constantly. I actually found I loved only being able to eat a little. I could eat and be satisfied without feeling like a big fat pig or disgusting because I was overfull.
I hear that the sleeve is much similar, you do get used to the smaller meals and I would imagine that the hunger and need for food does diminish becuase of the dramatic reduction of the hunger hormone from removing the part of your tummy (forgive me I forget what its called).
Good luck and I would be interested in hearing the answers to this from sleevers too. Good question. I am just like you at this moment. | |
| | | LittleMissCee Administrator
Number of posts : 2103 Age : 36 Location : WA Registration date : 2010-01-03
| Subject: Re: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Mon 03 Oct 2011, 2:19 pm | |
| Can be tough in the early days - I found it hard not being able to eat. I'm still only 6 weeks post op, but finding it so much easier now. I still struggle, don't get me wrong - but I'm not chomping at the bit & wishing I could still stuff myself stupid. I'm at that point of working out what I can & can't eat - but very quickly learning - quality over quantity. It's not super hard to get the nutrition in. Listen to what your dietician says & ask around on here for some good food tips. I still eat what I like - I've lost 15 kilos so far - and I'm stoked with my progress. | |
| | | hazelbaby Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 370 Age : 56 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2011-08-20
| Subject: Don't wanna do diet mentality forever Mon 03 Oct 2011, 2:04 pm | |
| Hi all, I know this is early days but I need to get some perspective from people who've been there and done it. I've been struggling with weight and food issues, for as long as I can remember. My concern is that with a sleeve it may make the "obsession" (for the want of a better word) with food even worse as it seems that there is a lot of thinking about food that goes on, especially in the early days pre and post op. I feel like food and all that goes with it has demanded enough of my time and caused enough misery already. I am scared that eating tiny amounts of food and having problems eating certain foods might fuel that awful feeling of deprevation that has made so many attempts to lose weight by whatever method fail. Do you get to a point where it is just ok being able to eat a little bit of what you like, being mindful of nutrition, or is it always hard, like a diet????? | |
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