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+14ru32day shelly25 Emily thankana NQGIRL *Jan AliKat *Lib* Jigglypuff Sarah74 sophia Carrie mapmar pippa Keridwyn 18 posters | |
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Jasmyn Newbie
Number of posts : 28 Age : 43 Location : Sydney, Australia Registration date : 2012-01-27
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Fri 27 Apr 2012, 5:00 am | |
| Thanks so much little cee, I'm going in for the sleeve in July, I was convinced I was making the right decision then started reading all these posts and researching more. I still think the sleeve is best for me, if all else fails then I will look into something further, but until then I sure as hell will be throwing everything I got into making this work !! :) | |
| | | LittleMissCee Administrator
Number of posts : 2103 Age : 36 Location : WA Registration date : 2010-01-03
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Fri 27 Apr 2012, 4:31 am | |
| - RavenSteele wrote:
- my operation is in July, the more I read the more I wonder, if gastric bypass may be a better option, the only thing that bothers/worries me is malabsorption.
RavenSteele, my personal opinion is to not start considering a bypass just yet, unless your surgeon thinks you should go down that road. Have a crack at the sleeve first... While I'm not classed as a long term sleever yet (only 8 months out), and I've had great results to date, I'm still conscious of regain, but will deal with it, if I come to it. The information is extremely useful, but only useful when you find yourself in that situation. | |
| | | Jasmyn Newbie
Number of posts : 28 Age : 43 Location : Sydney, Australia Registration date : 2012-01-27
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Sun 22 Apr 2012, 11:57 am | |
| I've read some people moving from sleeve to gastric bypass when the sleeve hasn't worked for them. I'm yet to be sleeved, my operation is in July, the more I read the more I wonder, if gastric bypass may be a better option, the only thing that bothers/worries me is malabsorption. But I can see there are some gastric bypass people joining this page. | |
| | | lilac Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 374 Age : 52 Location : Australia Registration date : 2010-08-02
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Sun 22 Apr 2012, 11:30 am | |
| In response to Keridwyn's article reference -
Very interesting and thank you for posting a link to the article.
This proves that dilation of the post operative sleeve is possible - in other words, the darn stomach stretches! That's why some doctors are experimenting with mesh inserts to wrap around the sleeve in order to reduce the risk of dilation.
How sad hey? This means that for a great many sleevers, we will re-gain weight within 5 years of the procedure. Well I for one didn't make goal (like, 10 kg off!) and am majorly disappointed. For those who are pleased - they are not real food addicts as they have been able to adapt their lifestyles to diet and exercise (or alternatively have had sickness as a result of the procedure and are unable to maintain a normal diet). Oh well, back to the proverbial drawing board!!!! | |
| | | Jasmyn Newbie
Number of posts : 28 Age : 43 Location : Sydney, Australia Registration date : 2012-01-27
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Sat 21 Apr 2012, 1:29 pm | |
| Although this is an older thread thanks for the info ! I think some people forget about that far in the future it is nice to know and to have some coping mechanisms, and understanding why things may happen. | |
| | | Carrie Top Poster
Number of posts : 2601 Age : 64 Location : Sydney NSW Registration date : 2009-09-17
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Fri 03 Dec 2010, 7:35 am | |
| Hey Keridwyn, I just have to second what Bruna said, this is brilliant information, thank you for taking the time to type it all up for us. Hugs - Carrie :-) | |
| | | shortsleeves Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 283 Age : 62 Location : Sydney NSW Registration date : 2009-11-03
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Fri 03 Dec 2010, 5:22 am | |
| Hi Keridwyn Thank you so much for taking the time to provide us with this information which will prove to be invaluable. Bruna | |
| | | ru32day Newbie
Number of posts : 40 Location : Australia Registration date : 2010-08-29
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Fri 03 Dec 2010, 4:49 am | |
| Sarah - I have the same issues as you with almost all protein at the moment, however cheese seems to be OK ... it's my protein saviour at the moment. | |
| | | Keridwyn Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 304 Age : 60 Location : New Zealand Registration date : 2009-05-03
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Sun 28 Nov 2010, 10:31 pm | |
| Another bit to add.
Awesome thread on this topic from ObesityHelp. Both the Article and Thread are worth a read http://www.obesityhelp.com/group/VSGM/discussion/4278319/Article-on-rate-of-sleeve-quotfailurequot/ | |
| | | Keridwyn Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 304 Age : 60 Location : New Zealand Registration date : 2009-05-03
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Sat 27 Nov 2010, 5:43 pm | |
| I now have the final part of the presentation. Notes were done by someone else but this gives you the rest. ------------------------ The link to the information that this came from is
http://www.nawls.com/public/1646.cfm
Katie Jay is almost ready to launch a new book which looks at the stage of transformation in more detail.
The parts that were missed from the presentation due to time was:
Experimenting: You go through a trial and error process to discover what really will work for you. - Even with good knowledge about themselves and their situations, patients will need to begin a trial and error process to discover their specific needs and the solutions that will work for them. - They tweak their plans, try again, and reevaluate often. - Through this trial and error process, patients begin to identify a way of living that will better support long-term WLS success.
Self Trust: You develop a sense of self trust and self care that was previously non-existant - At this stage, patients have regained some control and have begun to turn things around. - Maybe your unrelenting food cravings have subsided. Or you have lost some weight. - It can be very surprising the first time you realize that you got way off track, but were able to make changes and see positive results. - You gain perspective and begin to see the possibility for long-term peace of mind with food, their bodies, and the scale. -You experience a sense of self trust that leads to improved self esteem, even self love.
Mastery: You regain some control and begin to experience somepeace of mind with food , your body and the scale. - At this stage, patients live fully with the self trust that was previously nonexistent. -You consistently work toward their goal of managing your weight (and other areas of your lives) and when you slip up, you can easily get back on track. - You don’t become perfect; patients become disciplined in a way that makes them feel great about themselves and hopeful for their future. - You clearly see and are planning for a future that includes long-term weight loss and weight maintenance -- and, by this time, a future that holds many other exciting possibilities.
Freedom: You see that what you really want to do, and what you must do to stay healthy are one and the same. - This stage can be difficult to maintain all the time, but the goal is for patients to spend as much time as possible free from the burden of obsession with food, their bodies, and the scale. - It is when what patients want to do and what they must do to stay healthy are one and the same. - This is WLS “Nirvana,” and while it is not always permanent, patients know without a doubt that freedom will be a regular part of their long-term WLS experience. | |
| | | shelly25 Top Poster
Number of posts : 1776 Age : 46 Location : NSW Registration date : 2009-11-21
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Thu 25 Nov 2010, 12:24 am | |
| Hi Sarah it totally understand your concerns with being brutally honest when posting and there will always be different opinions on here ,the hard thing is that there are so many different personalities/opinions etc ,i think the main thing is that when people post if they cant post ina supportive way then they should probably not reply to that topic.It think constructive cristism is ok,when put the right way! Dont feel that you cant be honest otherwise we are defeating the purpose of being a supportive/ honest place to chat. Also i think your right abou not hearing about people who arnt successful,i guess they do leave, hopefully by you highlighting that it can be hard to be so honest and not want to get flack for it,everyone will be SUPER supportive and be able to help!!!!!! cheers shelly
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| | | Sarah74 Newbie
Number of posts : 18 Age : 49 Location : Melbourne Registration date : 2010-10-31
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Wed 24 Nov 2010, 9:09 am | |
| EmilyG, the thing about protien, yes it fills me but in a heavy uncomfortable way, and I can't sit down or lie down for about an hour afterwards, and no I am not overeating, because it happens no matter how small the serve, whereas cruskits slide down and I feel light and not hungry anymore, it's great! thats the trap, my body had never liked only protein, could never do atkins, I felt nauseas, but it likes carbs, no wonder they keep the weight on, and as we all know, our boides really want to be fat!!!
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| | | shelly25 Top Poster
Number of posts : 1776 Age : 46 Location : NSW Registration date : 2009-11-21
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Wed 24 Nov 2010, 3:25 am | |
| Hi Keridwym thanks for that, very interesting and thought provoking,its good to see some more long term stuff coming forth. And it really all does make sense! cheers shelly | |
| | | Keridwyn Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 304 Age : 60 Location : New Zealand Registration date : 2009-05-03
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Wed 24 Nov 2010, 12:06 am | |
| They did not give an amount. Just that eliminate carbs so that full for 4-5 hours. | |
| | | Emily Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 1180 Location : Earth Registration date : 2010-04-12
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Tue 23 Nov 2010, 10:10 pm | |
| Thanks for posting Keridwyn - can you tell me how many grams of carbs you are talking about by "strict" low carb?
And people that said protein makes you full.. I don't mean to be thick, but isn't that the whole point of eating it? | |
| | | Keridwyn Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 304 Age : 60 Location : New Zealand Registration date : 2009-05-03
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Tue 23 Nov 2010, 6:57 pm | |
| Thanks everyone for the replies. I think the biggest thing I got from the weekend (and it will be an annual meet and greet for weight loss people) is that the worst thing we can do (when well out from surgery) and regain hits is give up. See it as normal and deal with it when its a few kg.
I agree on the 4-5 hours and it is scary. In my case the PPI is helping alot. But even here it was interesting some surgeons give 3 months, some none and some a year post sleeve. It is such a lottery. That is where forums and support groups help. My surgeon was adamant it is not reflux yet when I spoke with the surgeon at the conference he said it absolutely could be. Luckily my gp was more than happy to write me a script to try it. Last week I blamed my surgeon this week I know know he just does not have the tools to deal with me thinking my surgery failed and him thinking that at 65 EWL it did not. Differing expectations really.
I will try type up the notes from the booklet handout today and as mentioned if they can get the rest of the slides I will finish the notes in the first post.
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| | | thankana Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 334 Age : 53 Location : Adelaide Registration date : 2010-06-04
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Tue 23 Nov 2010, 5:28 pm | |
| Thank you keridwyn. Basically all I eat is protein at every meal. I do eat carbs a little bit, can't resist sushi. I find carbs bloat me and I'm not satisfied.
I will refer to the info you have provided as a guide. I dont want to regain while I'm losing!!
Thank you very much. | |
| | | NQGIRL *Jan Newbie
Number of posts : 146 Age : 49 Location : North Queensland, Australia Registration date : 2010-07-23
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Tue 23 Nov 2010, 4:37 pm | |
| - Keridwyn wrote:
- He sadly has many sleeve patients up to 5 years out who have suffered from regain.
That's a scary thought | |
| | | AliKat Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 267 Location : Sydney, NSW Registration date : 2010-07-23
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Tue 23 Nov 2010, 12:52 pm | |
| - Sarah74 wrote:
- I'll be honest, I have not lost as much as I would have liked and am now plateauing, in fact, in the last 2 weeks, I can eat more, and you know what goes down easiest, carbs, chocolates etc. Protein is hard, it can make me feel full and uncomfortable very easily.
The other thing I have noticed is that I don't feel like sharing on here as much because it is all so great and wonderful and full of positive stuff (don't get me wrong, it's good) but if you are not one of the lucky ones for who is comes easliy, the fourm can be very intimidating. I do think there must be a lot of pople who don't come on here and who it hasn't worked for - after all you'd be embarrassed wouldn't you, if it didn't work to come on here and say that You aren't alone, I am losing weight very, very slowly and I am concerned specially when I hear of so much success ... I don't want to post that I feel I am worried about failing. Oh and yes - protein can filling so damn quickly but just about everything else doesn't. A comment about the seminar, besides Australia being slow and not having a similar seminar ... no snacking? Just three meals a day? If I don't have my "snacks" I am so beyond starving come meal time I tend to overeat and spend the rest entire evening grazing ... I do much better withy five to six small meals a day.
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| | | *Lib* Top Poster
Number of posts : 1594 Age : 45 Location : Australia Registration date : 2009-03-31
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Tue 23 Nov 2010, 10:55 am | |
| - sophia wrote:
Pippa - re forum members dropping off due to weight gain... interesting point. A while ago I messaged some people that had surgery around the same time as me, wondering how they were going... and no response. Regards, Sophia
I don't know, I guess for me now I am more than 18months post op a lot of the threads are irrelevant to me, but I do try and answer questions if they apply to something I dealt with. | |
| | | Jigglypuff Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 332 Location : WA Registration date : 2010-05-31
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Tue 23 Nov 2010, 10:30 am | |
| Thank you for the great information Keridwyn. I am being sleeved in 2 days and want to go in with as much long term information as possible. I have a friend 2 years out who is struggling with regain at the moment...but she admits its from snacking on the wrong foods, for whatever reason.
I believe it's vital that anyone considering this surgery knows all the risks and outcomes before they travel this road. I was caught out with the band, thinking it was the solution to my problems, sadly it wasn't and I ended up weighing more than when I had it put in 5yrs ago...anyway, thats another story :)
One thing that piqued my interest about the study is that it goes back 5 years...Its my understanding that 5 years ago the size of the sleeve was considerably larger than is currently being done by surgeons...do you think this makes an impact on the long term results?
Interesting stuff...thanks again!
Jiggly
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| | | Sarah74 Newbie
Number of posts : 18 Age : 49 Location : Melbourne Registration date : 2010-10-31
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Tue 23 Nov 2010, 10:03 am | |
| Keri, this is great!
Pippa, that what was in my post the other day about people putting on weight and not been on the forum.
I'll be honest, I have not lost as much as I would have liked and am now plateauing, in fact, in the last 2 weeks, I can eat more, and you know what goes down easiest, carbs, chocolates etc. Protein is hard, it can make me feel full and uncomfortable very easily.
The other thing I have noticed is that I don't feel like sharing on here as much because it is all so great and wonderful and full of positive stuff (don't get me wrong, it's good) but if you are not one of the lucky ones for who is comes easliy, the fourm can be very intimidating. I do think there must be a lot of pople who don't come on here and who it hasn't worked for - after all you'd be embarrassed wouldn't you, if it didn't work to come on here and say that, but my surgeon as well told me you can eat your way around it, just snack all day and you wont loose weight.
I would love to hear from people who have not lost weight and see where they think they went wrong.
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| | | sophia Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 461 Location : brisbane australia Registration date : 2008-12-10
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Tue 23 Nov 2010, 9:43 am | |
| Keri, this is BRILLIANT information. As I am now heading towards my 2 year sleevaversary and have put back on a few kilos, this is great to know. I am definately at the "end of invincible".
Interesting re daily weighs. I have found that when I stop weighing myself frequently this is during periods of weight gain!
Mapmar, looking forward to reading more about the rapid gastric emptying - I am sure that is also a factor that comes into play as well.
Pippa - re forum members dropping off due to weight gain... interesting point. A while ago I messaged some people that had surgery around the same time as me, wondering how they were going... and no response. Regards, Sophia
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| | | Carrie Top Poster
Number of posts : 2601 Age : 64 Location : Sydney NSW Registration date : 2009-09-17
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Tue 23 Nov 2010, 9:40 am | |
| Thank you so much Keridwyn, I have printed it out so I can read it again and refer to it as I need. I look forward to your continuing notes, and have my fingers crossed that they send you the information that was missed.
What a fantastic sounding convention, is it a regular event or a one off?. Was it mainly patients or medical people there? I would love to hear more about it.
Cheers - Carrie :-) | |
| | | mapmar Top Poster
Number of posts : 2342 Age : 54 Location : Perth, Western Australia Registration date : 2009-09-09
| Subject: Re: The Sleeve long term - "Not making goal" and regain study Tue 23 Nov 2010, 9:35 am | |
| I have been doing a bit of "research" myself as I have been wondering why people don't lose weight or regain it. As I work for a gastro Dr, I am going down the path of rapid gastric emptying... when sleevers say they can eat more in one sitting... I am wondering if it has anything to do with them being able to digest quicker than "normal"... will post on here what I find out..... it is very interesting and hopefully with all of the information we can find can help someone! | |
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