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Carrie Top Poster
Number of posts : 2601 Age : 64 Location : Sydney NSW Registration date : 2009-09-17
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Thu 28 Oct 2010, 10:35 am | |
| I am locking this thread, I think that anything productive or helpful about Pies or Nuggets has been said.
Cheers - Carrie | |
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applesauce Top Poster
Number of posts : 1999 Location : Perth Western Australia Registration date : 2008-05-26
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Thu 28 Oct 2010, 4:45 am | |
| Everybody heals at different rates the volumes of food she is eating are not alarming theyindicate somebody who heals rather well. It would take more than 6 nuggets to raise alarm bells saying something might be wrong.
Trust me if your sleeve is done correctly you WILL eventually fit in 6 chicken nuggets with NO problems at all. Some people heal faster than others.
Be under no illusion that the tiny amounts slow healers eat to start with is how little you keep being able to eat. The sleeve is designed to hold 250ml how fast you heal depends how soon you get to that size. But unless something goes wrong you will eventually reach that size usally between 6 months and 18 months tho some people are a lot earlier and some even later than 2 years.
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newlife Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 1020 Age : 62 Location : Perth, Western Australia Registration date : 2008-06-26
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Thu 28 Oct 2010, 3:20 am | |
| Just something I noted. The earlier postings re negative about pies was from the USA. Just a pointer the humble Meat Pie, is an Australian tradition and very popular here, in fact the humble MEAT PIE is pretty much ICONIC in Australia. Not sure the Australian style Meat pies are very popular in the US (very few places actually sell them I believe) and most pies over there are sweet pies, ie pumpkin, or berry or something like that, not the same as a single serve MEAT/MINCE MEAT pie for one person. The inside of an Australian meat pie is only about 1-2 tablespoons of mince meat and gravy (if that), so is not that much food quantity wise. | |
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NutMeg Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 769 Location : Australia Registration date : 2009-12-15
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Thu 28 Oct 2010, 12:08 am | |
| Wow, helpful much?
Queenbee - To me that is a large volume of food, only because at 4 months post op I could not eat 6 nuggets. Maybe 3 at a stretch :) I did eat the inside of a spinach quiche this past weekend, and I couldn't eat anymore than the filling. I'd say your surgeon has made your stomach tube a bit bigger than mine or others on here.
I told my surgeon and dietitian that I NEVER deprive myself of anything. I will have that (small) piece of chocolate cake, or the higher fat version of something. They were both totally fine with it. And it's not hindering my weight loss at all. Though if it does, I will start to 'diet' but until then I am enjoying my food AND the weight loss. | |
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queenbee Newbie
Number of posts : 21 Age : 37 Location : sydney Registration date : 2010-10-01
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Thu 28 Oct 2010, 12:02 am | |
| Thanks everyone, some of the comments are really useful =) I can keep on writing... but will leave it Cheers | |
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Carrie Top Poster
Number of posts : 2601 Age : 64 Location : Sydney NSW Registration date : 2009-09-17
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 11:01 pm | |
| - queenbee wrote:
- ...i ate a pie for lunch, (the standard size) how much of it did i eat....? Well i ate it all except for the crust on the outside....
Hey Queenbee, The insides of a pie has got to be not much over 1/2 a cup of moist casseroley type mixture. To me that sounds fine, in fact if it was a good pie it sounds delicious. Big hugs - Carrie xx | |
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thankana Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 334 Age : 53 Location : Adelaide Registration date : 2010-06-04
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 8:08 pm | |
| Queenbee I couldnt eat what you ate and may not agree but I fully support you. This is what a support forum is about. I'm like that with all my friends, I may not agree with their decisions but I will always be there for them. Please ignore attacks. Definitely not nice, people. | |
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neljatye Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 470 Age : 56 Location : Sth Coast NSW Registration date : 2010-07-20
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 1:16 pm | |
| Ok so confession time here i have eaten the inside of a pie from about 3 weeks out too....probably done it 3-4 times......also had a couple of chicken nuggets.... i agree with the non diet subject....one of the benefits ( I feel for me) of having the sleeve is i don't have to count calories or feel guilty if i have something others don't think is healthy for me....yes the sleeve is a tool but you don't want to end up resenting it like you do every other diet you have been on.....the sad thing is that so many jumped on and attacked and judged someone for their personal choice...she never said she ate that everyday and even though early out i found the pie easy to eat because of the consistancy.....i occasionally have something not on the list but most days only eat protein (can't fit anything else in...not interested either)..and i think after 3mths and 32kgs i am doing well....pie, nuggets and all......good luck with everything Queenbee and hope you weren't too hurt by the personal attacks.... Nerida | |
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thankana Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 334 Age : 53 Location : Adelaide Registration date : 2010-06-04
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 9:58 am | |
| - applesauce wrote:
- I swear people see a vegtable and think healthy good choice. Reality check here potato is a waste of space pretty much blah blah when it comes to anything of real nutritional value and it takes up MASSES of room. As evil as a bit of puff pasty is on the top of a pie it when you need all the room you can get for protien it takes up far less room, has higher fat yes but seriously people have to stop giving these amazing health giving properties to vegtables especially things like plain old potato. If you are going to put vegtables on your plate it is not like before surgery they are a tiny side serve. Choose colourful ones, sweet potato instead of normal potato, green beans and peas over any potato or pumkin.
If you want to make a healthier pie then seriously a touch of sweet potato with some sweet corn and peas mixed together and on the top not potato unless it is a gawd I want a potato pie and then yea as I keep saying everybody should be able to have a little of what they want. Just dont go giving yourself this badge of merit for eating vegtables when theiry take up the room of protien or happen to be rubbish ones like potato. Eat them because you enjoy them you want them and you can fit them in. No gold star for eating your vegtables I am afraid.
applesauce Yeah yeah I know but I really really miss my veges and salad and fruit. I don't miss junk food at all. | |
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applesauce Top Poster
Number of posts : 1999 Location : Perth Western Australia Registration date : 2008-05-26
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 6:06 am | |
| I swear people see a vegtable and think healthy good choice. Reality check here potato is a waste of space pretty much blah blah when it comes to anything of real nutritional value and it takes up MASSES of room. As evil as a bit of puff pasty is on the top of a pie it when you need all the room you can get for protien it takes up far less room, has higher fat yes but seriously people have to stop giving these amazing health giving properties to vegtables especially things like plain old potato. If you are going to put vegtables on your plate it is not like before surgery they are a tiny side serve. Choose colourful ones, sweet potato instead of normal potato, green beans and peas over any potato or pumkin. If you want to make a healthier pie then seriously a touch of sweet potato with some sweet corn and peas mixed together and on the top not potato unless it is a gawd I want a potato pie and then yea as I keep saying everybody should be able to have a little of what they want. Just dont go giving yourself this badge of merit for eating vegtables when theiry take up the room of protien or happen to be rubbish ones like potato. Eat them because you enjoy them you want them and you can fit them in. No gold star for eating your vegtables I am afraid.
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newlife Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 1020 Age : 62 Location : Perth, Western Australia Registration date : 2008-06-26
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 4:48 am | |
| Thought this may be of interest. the following numbers re nutritional value in order represent Energy (kj), protein, Fat total, fat saturated, carbs, sugar, sodium. per 100grms. If you are just eating the inside of a pie, then you can cut out a fair portion of the carbs, and fat which is in the pastry rather than the meat filling. On average we should be eating approx 70-80grms of protein per day.
Sargents Premium Nutrition Information per 100g Premium Chunky Beef Royale 980 8.1 12.0 5.4 23.4 0.5 375 Premium Chunky Chicken Supreme 995 7.3 12.2 5.4 24.6 1.4 230 Premium Family Chunky Beef Royale 906 8.9 10.7 4.8 21.1 0.4 385 Premium Vegetable in Creamy Sauce 896 3.9 10.6 5.4 25.1 1.2 391 Extra Special Grain Fed Beef 942 8.7 11.1 5.2 21.8 0.3 284 Extra Special Beef & Ale 952 8.6 11.2 5.1 22.7 1.1 309 Extra Special Chicken, Leek & Sweet Corn 954 8.3 11.5 5.0 23.7 2.0 301 Extra Special Slow Cooked Angus Beef & Vegetables 920 7.4 10.9 5.2 22.4 1.2 325 Extra Special Slow Cooked Chicken, potato & Bacon in creamy white wine sauce 979 7.9 11.6 5.3 23.4 2.0 353
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shelly25 Top Poster
Number of posts : 1776 Age : 46 Location : NSW Registration date : 2009-11-21
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 4:41 am | |
| I have deleted some posts on here that are not supportive or productive. Any further posts that are unsupportive will be deleted immediatley. Shelly | |
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didles Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 249 Age : 42 Location : Central Coast Registration date : 2010-09-09
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 4:30 am | |
| This is a tough one, on one hand you can understand why people are cranky because of the food choices this person is making but on the other hand the is some protein in the choices.
Yes we all hates diets I am sick to death of Low GI, low Carb and all the rest. People see this as why go through this if you are going to eat the wrong sorts of protein or protein that has some fat content as well. Yes we all need to indulge every once in a while but so soon after?
Maybe if you made your own meat pies like a cottage pie with mash pumpkin on top. Now I am 3 weeks away from going through the sleeve but I think the best option would be to talk to your dietician about what you are eating and look if there are emotional triggers for you, it's tough watching all your family eating things you would love to dig into and you have something "healthy" I am struggling with this as I on low carb and would love a bowl of pasta, but means to an end.
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Caz Sponsor
Number of posts : 5909 Age : 74 Location : Australia Registration date : 2009-01-20
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 4:22 am | |
| Queenbee. Did you have to do opti?
Think of this so called "diet" as a post op sensible eating plan. It will help you recover and succeed with you weight loss goals. The time will come and before long that you can eat what you want, but why go to the trouble and expense of this operation without giving it the best chance for success.
Concentrate on protein now. And enjoy seeing the scales go down
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patty257 Newbie
Number of posts : 70 Location : australia Registration date : 2010-08-17
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 3:59 am | |
| Hi Queenbee,
Just thought I would get out my dieticians dietary guidelines in case there is anything on my list which is different to the list you were given. Never know, there maybe something you like:-
Blended mince (I use my bologneise recipe and blend) Blended casseroles, stews and homemade soups (again I use my minestrone recipe) For convenience, blend and eat meals such as lean cuisine and/or healthy choice low fat yoghurt (I eat Forme......seems to have higher protein content) smoothies (any fruit with milk and honey) soft fluffy mouse
The above sheet is supposed to take me through to week 6 - 8. HOpe you find something you like.
I also continue to have an opti at least once during the day for the vitamins/minerals and protein content.
It's a learning process........good luck. | |
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newlife Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 1020 Age : 62 Location : Perth, Western Australia Registration date : 2008-06-26
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 3:51 am | |
| . Inside meat pie, although not ideal, is a good source of protein this early out, and is easy to digest because of all the gravy and the meat being minced. So just chill out and stop critisizing. Im sure nobody here is perfect. JUST WANT NORMALITY. Not DIET, DIET, DIET, like we have done our whole lives to very little effect hence why we had the surgery in the first place. Overly critisizing someone's choices is what leads to feelings of guilt, shame and failure. AND NOBODY HERE IS A FAILURE. WE ARE ALL WINNERS for having the surgery and taking control of our lives. So go have a meat pie and chill out for heavens sake. | |
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applesauce Top Poster
Number of posts : 1999 Location : Perth Western Australia Registration date : 2008-05-26
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 3:36 am | |
| the lid and inside of a pie not a really huge amount. 6 chicken nuggets again on the larger side but not alarm bell time.
as for the critisim on eating them, I agree not the best choices but reality check here read what others are eating and it is a tenth of the protien. Ridiculious tiny amounts and all think some magical goodness because they are eating healthy food. Sorry but the reality is getting protien is far more important.
People yes need to limit jnk food but for heavens sake protien at least THREE times a day if not five times and no a spread of tuna or a slice of ham on a cracker doesnt cut it. 100grams of a good protien source eaten before you do the veg before you do the rice crackers etc. those things are ONLY for when you have got your protien down and can still fit them in. Lots of people will struggle to get anything but protien in to themselves in the first month or two. and yes everybody should be able to go out to dinner on occassion and enjoy the pasta dish if they want it. I am talking ever day here, and seriously not enough protien is the big boogie man far more than a few evil chicken nuggets and the inside of a pie on this forum.
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melpaulned Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 1034 Age : 53 Location : Sutherland Shire Sydney Registration date : 2010-06-22
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 3:28 am | |
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newlife Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 1020 Age : 62 Location : Perth, Western Australia Registration date : 2008-06-26
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 3:24 am | |
| Sorry I have to interject here. While I know that eating meat pies and chicken nuggets are not the best choice and should be an on occassion thing. And yes, should try to stick to what the dietition has recommended. HOWEVER, please don't be so judgemental. We are all human and at this early stage the most important thing is to get enough protein in. Now as I said while maybe not the best nutitional choice ie meat pie, the inside of a meat pie is nice and soft and easy to eat, it does have a reasonable protein source, ie the meat. So please don't be so hard. I personally hate the term DIET, and yes it is one of the reasons we go through this surgery, so we can be NORMAL and eat NORMAL foods just like everyone else without the worry of putting on weight. When I was 3 weeks out, I was able to eat the inside of a meat pie and did. Provided it is not an everyday thing, it is OK sometimes. I think we have all had it up to our eyeballs on being judged by what we eat when we are out, in, whenever, in our lifetimes, while we have been overweight. we don't need to be so harsh here. And we all know pretty much what is good nutrition and bad nutrition. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 2:25 am | |
| - EmilyG wrote:
- Why would you bother getting SURGERY that risks your life (!), and then not following the doctor's (and dietician) orders as to aftercare so soon post-operatively? That is just crazy, in my humble opinion. I mean, it's one thing to think "one day maybe I can have a pie...", but when you're a few weeks out of surgery to be eating totally non-nutritious foods, and so much of them, is just ... unbelievable. I mean, I am sure they would not have operated has they known you would be non-compliant with the treatment.
Wow. Gotta agree with that! |
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Emily Part of the furniture
Number of posts : 1180 Location : Earth Registration date : 2010-04-12
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 2:19 am | |
| Why would you bother getting SURGERY that risks your life (!), and then not following the doctor's (and dietician) orders as to aftercare so soon post-operatively? That is just crazy, in my humble opinion. I mean, it's one thing to think "one day maybe I can have a pie...", but when you're a few weeks out of surgery to be eating totally non-nutritious foods, and so much of them, is just ... unbelievable. I mean, I am sure they would not have operated has they known you would be non-compliant with the treatment.
Wow. | |
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shelly25 Top Poster
Number of posts : 1776 Age : 46 Location : NSW Registration date : 2009-11-21
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 1:33 am | |
| - queenbee wrote:
- Qashmir: You are probably right, i mean pies and nuggets should not be on our diet.... but i don't want to diet - i hate the word, i hate the thought of restricting myself from foods.
just to add the term diet being used here byQashmir is meaning the post op after care diet to protect our tummies while its healing after surgery, WHICH IS VERY INPORTANT!!!!! | |
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shelly25 Top Poster
Number of posts : 1776 Age : 46 Location : NSW Registration date : 2009-11-21
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Wed 27 Oct 2010, 1:30 am | |
| queenbee have you found it hard to eat healthier due to letting go of old habits or feeling your being robbed of nice things?? I did go through a phase of this kind of thing and was wondering if thats what your feeling? have a look at the recipe section for ideas on yummy food thats healthy.I also love the annette simms cookbooks.
At five weeks out i definatety couldnt eat that amount or texture of food.So maybe talk to you doctor.
If you are eatingto much fried food or unhealthy food you may find it harder to loose weight even though your eating smaller portions,you may even gain weight so be careful in this area.the sleeve is a tool to assist,not a magic fix!!!!
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Janette Top Poster
Number of posts : 4341 Age : 70 Location : Gundagai, NSW Registration date : 2009-09-13
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Tue 26 Oct 2010, 10:10 pm | |
| I would be more concerned about the unhealthy foods you are eating!
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queenbee Newbie
Number of posts : 21 Age : 37 Location : sydney Registration date : 2010-10-01
| Subject: Re: Chicken nuggets....pie? Tue 26 Oct 2010, 10:09 pm | |
| Qashmir: You are probably right, i mean pies and nuggets should not be on our diet.... but i don't want to diet - i hate the word, i hate the thought of restricting myself from foods. I want to eat everything but in less portions, hence the reason i resorted to such an operation.
I understand though what you are saying about putting fatty food in there... I already have a meal plan from the dietician, but ekkkkkkkk i don't want to follow a diet!
haha sorry i am so stubborn! | |
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