Calorie Counting, Stalls and Nutrition

Suze61 wrote:: Such a great post Sally, it's called 'JERF'...Just Eat Real Food.
And the trouble is that most of those 'low fat' foods are filled with sugar to put some flavour back in!
Scary huh?

I like your word MissyMagic 'frankenfoods' :)

Great post!

I have had this running through my brain all day...'ear worm'
This has to be the best advice for weight loss, controlling cravings and healthy eating that I have seen since I don't remember when.
Thank you!

"it's called 'JERF'...Just Eat Real Food."

Subject: Re: Calorie Counting, Stalls and Nutrition Wed 22 Apr 2015, 2:35 am

Such a great post Sally, it's called 'JERF'...Just Eat Real Food.
And the trouble is that most of those 'low fat' foods are filled with sugar to put some flavour back in!
Scary huh?

I like your word MissyMagic 'frankenfoods' :)

Subject: Re: Calorie Counting, Stalls and Nutrition Tue 21 Apr 2015, 11:51 pm

Yeah, after two visits to my dietician, Im not paying $60 any more to be told I need to eat more protein and do that by drinking optifast, sustagen and their variety of puddings and other mass produced powders. Everytime I have to remind him Im inulin intolerant..

I get more protein out of a piece of steak or chicken than I do those drinks. I get more satiety and enjoyment out of my home made tuna fishcakes. Or one of the many many casseroles or stews I make in the slow cooker. They are yummier, contain ingredients I can pronounce and make me feel like Im living a normal life rather than one of diet shakes. I also get to eat with and what my family have.

And always the same diet yoghurt, diet cheese, low fat this, low fat that. Yes I get it, make healthier options, but the prices that are on these things? I kept up with the suggestions I enjoyed and quietly dumped the ones I didnt. Im doing ok, Im happy with myself and I still get the same enjoyment out of food, albeit at a much much smaller rate.

For instance, late last night I was finishing up making some bulk slow cooker dump meals, so groceries were done, fridge/freezer overflowing again. And I see the fresh ham and I think, would love some ham and mums homemade pickles on toast right now, then I see the homemade pasties the MIL sent home and Im like, and I can have that too, then I see the chicken wingettes and Im like, and some of them too! lol This is of course just momentary dreaming as I realised quickly I was contemplating a whole days worth of food for a snack haha. Pre-sleeve, there would have been 2-3 pieces of toast, 2-3 pasties (think 1/4 of one piece of puff per pasty with a mince/veg mix inside) and probably a dozen wingettes at around 10 oclock at night guzzled down with maybe half a litre of diet coke!! I opted for one pasty (hey, they were fresh baked that day lol) and I realise, even though the dietician would have tutt-tutted at having pastry, in the scheme of things, its a 1/4 piece with beef mince and veggies packed inside.

Subject: Re: Calorie Counting, Stalls and Nutrition Tue 21 Apr 2015, 12:19 pm

I've told very few people about my sleeve. I'm always surprised about the 'advice' I get from friends and colleagues about my choice to mainly eat meat and veggies with weight loss as the theme. The suggestions of diet yoghurt, low fat cheese, diet cordial, blah blah why promote frankenfoods or give dodgy advice.

I've also found some dietician advice contrary and more focussed on substitutes than actual food.

Subject: Re: Calorie Counting, Stalls and Nutrition Mon 12 Jan 2015, 12:49 am

Good share.

I actually have got to the stage that I get annoyed and just say what I think in relation to WLS. I personally don't think we can keep eating what we want and for some of us cant due to changes in our body, dumping (yep I got it at times with the sleeve, had to revise to bypass - long story).

yes have a treat from time to time if you can handle it. I struggle head wise. I do write down what I eat as it helps me but I do not focus on the cals more protein & fibre.

anyway could carry on like a pork chop but wont lol

Subject: Re: Calorie Counting, Stalls and Nutrition Wed 26 Nov 2014, 9:05 pm

Thanks for sharing your knowledge about this Garfield, some great info to help in time to come.

Subject: Calorie Counting, Stalls and Nutrition Wed 26 Nov 2014, 6:57 pm

Today I saw a post on FB about people asking how many calories they should be having because they are having stalls and does it really matter what type of food they are eating as long as they include it in their count? The general feedback was, up your protein, add some more protein shakes and no it doesn't matter what you eat (you CAN have that daily chocolate biscuit and ice cream) as long as it makes up the calorie count.

I literally had to hide the post so I didn't comment because I was so angry at the advice given by people who have no qualifications in dietary or nutritional background. I don't either, but I have spent years doing my research and understanding the difference between a dietician and a nutritionist, what you should be looking for and stop looking for the quick option. Quite simply, if you don't change your habits, your body won't change either and if it does, it will be a much longer process and you may not be getting the results you hoped for.

In a nutshell:
Dieticians follow the NHMRC triangle with grains etc. Dieticians don't look at colourings, flavourings and artificial sweeteners.

They may be recommending a Soy Protein Isolate (very bad for you), Cellulose Powder (a type of sugar) etc - they are not focusing on what is fresh and what your body can easily digest. The amount of times I've heard potatoes are bad - no it's not! It's a natural vegetable that FILLS you up providing long term satiety and your body is able to digest it. Quite simply, if you don't know what any of the ingredients are nor can pronounce it, don't eat it. Also, you DO need to reduce how much fruit you have because although it is a natural sugar, it is still a sugar and any unused sugars turn into fat. I'm not saying cut it out, just balance it out and if you want some real advice to suit you (and not the masses when you get a photocopied sheet for the sheep), see a nutritionist.

I know many dieticians are attached to our surgeons offices and they do have the right intentions - but they are just repeating exactly what they have been taught. Not once have I met a dietician that I actually agreed with their meal plan, annoyed with their suggestions of meal replacement shakes (c'mon, we suffered through that sh*t before surgery with the promise we never had to do it again!) and how many have recommended you go back to them when you it a stall.

You don't need magical pills, potions, special green powders, meal replacements, etc. You already have a little tummy so how about you fill yourself up with something you enjoy? Splurge out on some seafood or a steak - the total cost on what you will actually eat will be quite minimal especially if you add veges cooked the way you like. And there is nothing wrong with using creams and butters - natural fats. You will feel fuller on a smaller portion then you realise and your body is getting valuable nutrients. I do understand you can't feed the entire family on the same meals, but hopefully your family realises you need to eat a little different until you can get to your goal, or even eat at a separate time.

Sorry for my rant but after going through so much to learn the hard way, I think we should share what we have learned over the long term what does work. Oh and forget things like Sumo Salads - they are just covered in cheap, sugary and oily flavourings and if you are going to buy a fresh juice, go for the one with the most veges and don't be afraid to change it around - I have one piece of fruit for sweetness and the rest veges. Doesn't cost more to make up your own combination :-)